Astell & Kern A&futura A&K SE180

Sound Analysis.

The sound analysis of SE180 was done using Oriolus Traillii, playing a selection of test tracks, such as Agnes Obel “The curse”, Sandro Cavazza “So much better” (Avicii remix), C-Bool “Never go away”, Ed Sheeran “Shape of you”, Alan Walker “Darkside”, Galantis “Hunter”, Iggy Azalea “Black widow”, Indila “Boite en argent”, Dua Lipa “Love again”, Counting Crows “Big yellow taxi”, David Elias “Vision of her”, and Michael Jackson “Dirty Diana”.  I was told that each module had about 60hrs of playback time when I received it, and I put another 20-30hrs on each, thus plenty of burn in time.

I prefer to describe the DAP sound based on the comparison to other DAPs and pair ups with different IEMs/headphones since the DAP by itself doesn’t have a “sound”.  What we hear is how it sounds through connected IEMs/headphones or the difference in sound relative to source comparison using the same pair of IEMs/headphones.  This is my subjective opinion, describing how I hear it while analyzing the sound difference between SEP1 (SE180ESS) and SEP2 (SE180AKM).  One thing to note, it will heavily depend on what you are testing it with since in some pair ups the difference was more noticeable while in others it was more subtle.

SE180ESS vs SE180AKM – AKM card has a more revealing tonality and more transparency in sound (less coloring) while ESS card sounds a little smoother.  One of the reasons why I hear it that way because to my ears AKM card has more sparkle in treble while ESS card has a slightly stronger bass impact and smoother treble.  From a technical perspective, AKM card sound is tighter, faster, with a blacker background and faster transient of notes, while ESS is more relaxed, laidback, more soulful in comparison to AKM card.  Also, AKM card has a wider and more holographic soundstage while ESS gives sound a more intimate feeling with a slightly narrower soundstage expansion.  ESS module soundstage is still wide, but relative to AKM module I found the latter one to be wider.

You will get two different tuning flavors depending on your pair up preference.  And, each card has a full set of shared headphone/line out ports, normal and high gain setting, and access to digital DAC filters.

2.5mm/4.4mm (BAL) vs 3.5mm (SE)

Just like in my testing with other A&K DAPs, the difference in power output is definitely noticeable when going from SE to BAL where I always have to lower the volume.  Another noticeable difference is BAL output having a wider soundstage and blacker background.  Other than that, the sound signature and tonality are nearly the same within corresponding module.

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Comparison.

In every comparison I used Oriolus Traillii, volume matched while listening to the same test tracks between DAPs.  Also, for a more meaningful comparison I tried to match other DAPs with either SE180 ESS or AKM based on similarities in tonality.  Furthermore, I only covering the difference in sound as I hear it, not the design and other functionality.

SE180AKM vs Hiby R8 – didn’t expect it to be that close, but it was nearly impossible to tell them apart in a blind test.  These DAPs have the same tonality, the same soundstage expansion, and the only difference I can pick up is a little more air/sparkle in pair up with R8, but I could be splitting hair here.  In a blind test I got them wrong more than half of the times.  Both use AK4497EQ x2.

SE180ESS vs Cayin N6ii w/E02 – nearly the same tonality, being smoother and more soulful, with the main difference of SE180ESS being a little more neutral and balanced while N6ii w/E02 having a slight lift in mid-bass, giving the bass more impact.  Another variation is N6ii w/E02 having more width in soundstage (similar to SE180AKM), with the sound stretching wider while SE180ESS has a more intimate soundstage expansion where it sounds like you are a few rows in front of the performer.  Both use the same ES9038Pro dac and have replaceable DAC/amp cards.

SE180ESS/AKM vs iBasso DX300 – this one is a little trickier because I feel like DX300 fits somewhere in between of comparison to ESS and AKM cards.  The bass of DX300 has impact similar to ESS card, while its tonality is closer to AKM card due to having more sparkle and more revealing sound presentation.  Also, DX300 soundstage is closer to AKM card than ESS.  Thus, I couldn’t narrow it down if DX300 with its CS DACs fits closer to ESS or AKM cards.  SE180 has replaceable DAC/amp while DX300 has replaceable amp card only.

And last, but not least…

SE180 AKM vs SP2000 SS – SP2k has a better technical performance with more 3D soundstage expansion and better layering of sounds with more air between the layers.  The tonality is very similar to AKM and a little more revealing than ESS.  SP2k treble has more sparkle and air which improves the sound layering in comparison to both AKM/ESS cards.  Also, SE180AKM has a slightly narrower soundstage while the gap in soundstage expansion with SE180ESS is even more noticeable relative to IEMs I tested it with.  SE180AKM uses AK4497 while SP2k uses AK4499.  And it actually makes you wonder that in theory they can make another dual AK4499 dac/amp card and tune it identical to SP2k.

Pair up.

Here is how SE180 pairs up with some IEMs and headphones.  Unfortunately, this is going to be a very short section of the review because I didn’t have as much time to go over different pair ups and spent more time using Traillii for sound analysis in comparisons above.  Thus, these are just brief notes.

I found SE180 to drive full size headphones, regardless if it is high impedance or planar or full-size dynamic driver, with the same authority as SP2000 SS.  And with full size cans the gap in sound performance using SEP2 (AKM card) was less noticeable between SE180 and SP2000 SS.  As a matter of fact, Meze Audio Empyrean (planar) was driven better by SE180AKM then SP2k, with tonality being more transparent and the sound being more detailed.  But Audio-Technica R70x (470ohm) and Beyerdynamic T5p (2nd gen) were driven and sounded nearly the same between SE180AKM and SP2k.

With IEMs, I spent more time testing with Oriolus Traillii and enjoyed more revealing nature of SEP2 (AKM) module, but with IEMs it will come down to pair up synergy.  Brighter and more revealing IEMs paired up better with a stock SEP1 (ESS) card, while I preferred a pair up of more neutral and warmer tuned IEMs with SEP2 (AKM) card.  But either one worked fine.  Of course, if you want to squeeze out every ounce of technical performance, SP2000 is still at the top, but compared to SE180AKM the gap was not as big.

And for those who are curious, neither SE180ESS nor SE180AKM hiss with sensitive IEMs like Campfire Audio Andromeda or Solaris.

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Wired and wireless connections.

Besides being a portable DAP, you can expand SE180 functionality as a transport to drive external DAC/amp, to use external AMP, or to turn the DAP into wired/wireless usb DAC.  And of course, you don’t have to be limited to wired headphones, and can take advantage of Wireless Bluetooth connection.

Wireless/Bluetooth.

I tested SE180 BT Tx with various headphones; SE180 paired up within seconds and had the acknowledgement message on the screen to indicate which codec was used.  I was able to change volume from SE180 and from wireless headphones, as well as control the playback and skip tracks remotely.  Wireless connection worked about 30ft away from SE180 in open area.

SE180 also has Bluetooth Sink Mode to enable BT DAC “Rx” mode to use SE180 as a wireless DAC.  Once turned on, I was able to find and pair up with SE180 from my Galaxy smartphone and set LDAC codec.

USB Audio Out.

Connected to L&P W2 USB DAC/amp without a problem.  In notification bar of SE180 have to be sure External USB is selected to enable USB Audio mode.  Volume was fixed on SE180 at 150, and I can adjust it from W2.  The sound characteristics was typical of W2 DAC/amp while using SE180 as a digital transport.

USB DAC.

Recognized right away by my ThinkPad T480s (Win10Pro).  In notification bar of SE180 have to tap USB Mode to select DAC.  Volume can be adjusted from Laptop or SE180.  No need to install any additional drivers, and the sound was typical of SE180 headphone output.

Line Out.

Connected to Cayin C9, I had to select Line Out from notification bar and was able to control the volume from both external amp and SE180.  If you need to color your sound with an external amplifier or need to drive more demanding headphones, access to LO is convenient.  Plus, I was finally able to use 4.4mm to 4.4mm interconnect cable from SE180 without any adapters.

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Conclusion.

You can probably sense from my review that I was impressed with this new release.  Last year A&K stepped it up with SR25, and now did it again with SE180, blurring the lines between their entry, mid-fi, and summit-fi DAPs.  There is no longer a big gap in performance based on the price alone.  And if I were A&K, I would narrow down their product line to SR series as a small, portable, all-day battery, entry/mid-fi level pocket warrior.  Then, combine SE and SP series as their swiss army knife modular flagship, including high resolution upper end modules to bring it closer to SP flagship level of performance.  And keep KANN series for those who need a more powerful output to drive demanding headphones with a desktop level performance in a pocket.

Regarding SE180, A&K took the concept of their SE200 dual dac/output model and expanded it into a modular design while actually lowering the price, though SE180 with stock SEM1 and optional SEM2 modules cost nearly the same as SE200.  The modular design has a clever release mechanism that doesn’t require screws.  Furthermore, both modules come with 3.5mm SE and both 2.5mm and 4.4mm BAL outputs, something A&K fans been wishing and praying for years.  LDAC wireless protocol is here to stay as well.  Plus, you have other improvements not available even in some of their previous flagships, such as access to gain control and DACs digital filters, a more noticeable semi-Parametric EQ adjustment, and a brand-new Navigation bar.  It is an impressive design and a great A&futura series update.  Makes you wonder, if they put so much work into SE180, what are they going to come up with in SP series next?

23 thoughts on “Astell & Kern A&futura A&K SE180

  1. I also auditioned both cards and I suggest you review the SE180ESS vs SE180AKM paragraph ad most od my impressions were exactly opposite. Of course it may be just me and my ears and you have all right to hear it differrently but please review. Perhaps ESS and AKM words were swapped as a part od technical post-editing?

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    1. No, I still hear it that way. It is not a night and day difference. And per your suggestion, I just went back to hear and to compare it again. And I edited my sound impressions paragraphs to make it more clear that it will depend on pair up synergy with your iems/headphones. I don’t want people to think they will get 2 totally different sounding DAPs with 2 cards. It’s a subtle refinement. Just curious, where/when did you audition SE180 with both cards? How many hours of burn in did it have? Were they final or pre production? SE180 only going on sale right now and SEM2 won’t be even available for sale until mid July.

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      1. Hi. How does a near flagship portable dap like SE180 compare purely sonically with something like an entry level desktop dac like Topping E30, Modi 3, etc? I mean if only their ‘dac’ capabilities are compared then how does an entry level desktop dac (with their big internal capacitors) compare with a near flagship or very expensive portable dap such as SE180?

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      2. Not familiar with any desktop equipment. And, dac will need an amp to make the final judgment of a desktop stack against dap like SE180, and based on your question to compare desktop dac to LO output of SE180 using the same external amp. Otherwise, it will be just a misleading speculation. Also, you are right, desktop dac will have juicy power filtering caps, while dap is limited to smaller “battery” filtering caps.

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    2. btw, I was talking to a few people about SE200, and heard it created a polarizing opinion as well, with people arguing about hearing the opposite too 🙂 Also, in addition to burn in, there could be difference due to filter selection, as one of the contributing factors. I kept everything on default.

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  2. Ok. I fully respect and your review and opinion. Just wanted to make sure.
    I listened to pre-prod batch in Krakow, Poland on May 14th. In terms of burn-in this piece was already in another city as a part of a demo tour so the burn-in could be perhaps 100h? To my ears AKM had more coloring and ESS was a bit darker / more black-and white. ESS card sound was tighter, faster, with a blacker background and faster transient of notes. AKM was is more relaxed, laidback, smoother. I listened using Ether C Flow planars with balanced 2.5 TRRS cable. I set filter to “super slow” to get more clarity. I think the gain setting was “low”.

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    1. Perhaps, that was part of a pair up synergy. With Empyrean planars, I liked se180akm even better than sp2k and better than se180ess. But either way, nothing is set in stone, we hear how we hear, and the reason why i always suggest to make the final decision after auditioning with your favorite earphones/headphones and playing your favorite test tracks.

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  3. Technically, is it a significant SQ upgrade to SR25?

    Adding 4.4mm bal is really tempting, but I love my SR25 due to its small size and long battery life

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    1. Tbh, nothing is a significant upgrade. Is SP2000 5x better than SR25? Absolutely not! Just like SE180 is not 2x better than SR25. SE180 is an upgrade from SR25, and you will hear technical improvements, but it will depend on earphones/headphones you are using and their synergy with either sources, or the type of music, or just your personal ability to hear a significant vs subtle difference in sound/performance. I have people who are arguing with me their iPhone sounds as good or better than SP2000.. That is how they hear it 😉

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      1. “I have people who are arguing with me their iPhone sounds as good or better than SP2000”

        LOL

        Thanks the detailed SE180 review , enjoy it a lot and happy to know its background hissing is small for sensitive IEM like solaris , i think this is important for some ppl like me

        I’ve tried both ESS and AKM module (retailed veriosn) , i do think ESS one sound more crispy , with more sparkle in treble , a colder sound compare with the AKM , AKM vocal sound warmer , bring closer to audience and the soundstage is smaller than ESS , an obvious different , could say sea and sky difference personally when pair up with solaris and legend X SE, haha

        I do agree it’s a pair up syergy , ESS with more dynamic , quantity and impact of bass too

        I enjoy this DAP , another one is the N6ii Titanium R2R version , what a bass monster ! SE180 bring out fine and detailed sound with sufficient Bass (ESS) , N6ii Ti bring out lots of emotion and thunder bass , but with rather heavy hssing sound with using high sensentive IEM

        Looking forward reviews on other new products from you 🙂

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  4. Hi!!

    How is SEM2 sound with a more neutral IEM like the U18t?
    It’s similar to the sound of SP1000 (or SP2000 if you don’t keep SP1000 with you)?
    It is really tempting to have an SP1000 DAP in a module like this

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    1. SE180 was on loan, so I didn’t get a chance to compare it with SPK, but by memory akm sem2 card will come close. A&K is aggressive with this release to recapture the market, it is really good. .

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  5. Hi,
    I just discovered this blog and wow it’s great! Well done!
    I’d like to ask for some help since I hadn’t read about the DAP’s for a long time, and now I’m a bit “out of date” with what’s going on.
    My Plenue 1 is getting old and the display is nearly dead 😦
    So I’m looking for something new, with an upgrad of course!
    I’m looking for a new one in the upper range, like SE200 or SE180, Cayin N6ii, or maybe Plenue L, or something else like Fiio or iBasso, but really I’m a bit lost with all that stuff…
    I read plenty of reviews, it doesn’t always help.
    Could you give me some advice?
    I’m looking forward to your answer, thx 🙂

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    1. Most of the latest daps will be an upgrade to original P1, unless you still prefer its warm tonality. PL and N6ii are rather old platforms, SE200 is getting dated. SE180 modular design is excellent, highly recommend it, plus it’s a great value relative to other A&K daps. And if you want a warmer tonality, Shanling M8

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      1. Thank you for the advice.
        In my mind I was going on the SE180, the modular design seems very interesting. The warm tonality is also a important point… I’ll let myself some days of reflection, but trying an A&K attracts me since a long time.

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  6. Hi, excellent review, thank you. I have a SR25 and bought a Shanling M8; I loved it’s sound with my Vision Ears VE-8 and Effect Audio Janus D. The M8 had some battery issue; I gave it back and got the refund since I could not get a replacement. Very sad. The M9 will come but… I do not know. It looks like a transition model. What do you think about the SE180 for my iems? Or the Hiby R8? Thank you for your advice. BR. Carlo

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    1. Both SE180 and R8 are good DAPs. SE180 gives you flexibility to replace dac/amp, though you do have a limited app access since it’s not a fully open android environment. R8 is super fast and sounds great. But, I would also wait for upcoming Hiby’s RS6, more info should be available soon. Otherwise, SE180 is pretty good, especially for iems.

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  7. Should I go for SEM2 to get the best in terms of soudstage from VE-8? I do not like a very bright sound. That’s why I was adviced by Effect Audio to add a Janus D. Thanks for your advice, since I have a limited experience in DAP and pairing.

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    1. Yes, I would get SEM2 and hurry up cause AKM dacs were discontinued (4493, 4495, 4497, 4499) and I have a feeling they probably have a limited stock before they run out of components.

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